Episode 28: HR, Leadership, and the Law with Suzanne Lucas

On this podcast episode, litigation attorney Maxwell Goss hosts the insightful and funny Suzanne Lucas, better known as the Evil HR Lady. The discussion explores law, leadership, and hot button HR topics like AI recruiting, discrimination, non-competes, and remote work. The personal anecdotes and valuable insights that Max and Suzanne share make this a great listen for litigation attorneys, HR professionals, and anyone interested in becoming a savvier, more effective leader in the workplace.

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"Every person is an individual. But the problem with AI is, is that it just learns from what's been put in there. It's not that AI is evil. It just takes the biases that we all have and magnifies them. And it's not using logic or reasoning and it's not intelligent. It's just putting stuff together."

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EPISODE OUTLINE

00:18 Meet Suzanne Lucas, the Evil HR Lady

02:12 What improv has to do with Leadership Training

04:29 Why 'Evil HR Lady'?

05:42 Human resources and legal intersections

07:50 Common HR missteps and how to avoid them

22:14 The use and abuse of AI in employee recruiting

23:21 The career impact of parenthood

24:03 AI and gender bias in the workplace

27:57 Legal complications created by remote work

35:36 The changing landscape of non-compete agreements

40:17 Best practices for employee termination

44:57 Suzanne’s final thoughts

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Suzanne Lucas

Suzanne Lucas, better known as the "The Evil HR Lady," coaches and trains HR professionals, writes frequently on human resources for Inc., and speaks all over the world on HR topics, including the surprising lessons HR departments can learn from improv comedy. In Suzanne's words: "All HR people are evil, it’s in our job description. Or at least, that seems to be the prevailing theory. In reality, there’s just more going on behind the scenes than most people know. I’m here to demystify your Human Resources department and tell you just why you worked your tail end off all year and still got a 1.7 percent bonus."

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The Litigation War Room is hosted by Maxwell Goss, the owner and principal attorney of Maxwell Goss Law. Max represents clients in trade secret, intellectual property, and business cases in Michigan and around the country, bringing forceful advocacy and creative solutions to every case he handles.
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